What’s Next for the Right?

Steve Hayes is joined by Mike Warren, Jonah Goldberg, and Chris Stirewalt to discuss the future of the conservative movement ahead of the 2026 midterms and 2028 GOP primaries. The Agenda: —The war for the GOP —Trump’s successor —Ideological demography of Republicans —2028 GOP primaries —Mike’s conversation with Gov. Brian Kemp —NWYT: Aspic Show notes: Steve Hayes is CEO and editor of The Dispatch, based in Annapolis, Maryland. Prior to co-founding the company in 2019, he worked at The Weekly Standard for 18 years, covering Washington, politics, and national security. Steve is the author of two New York Times bestsellers. He also worked as a contributor at CNN and Fox News, and currently serves as a political analyst at NBC News. When Steve is not focused on The Dispatch, he’s probably traveling with his family, grilling, or riding his mountain bike. Michael Warren is a politics editor at The Dispatch and is based in Washington, D.C. Prior to joining the company in 2023, he was an on-air reporter at CNN and a senior writer at the Weekly Standard. When Mike is not reporting, writing, editing, and podcasting, he is probably spending time with his wife and three sons. Jonah Goldberg is editor-in-chief and co-founder of The Dispatch, based in Washington, D.C. Prior to that, enormous lizards roamed the Earth. More immediately prior to that, Jonah spent two decades at National Review, where he was a senior editor, among other things. He is also a bestselling author, longtime columnist for the Los Angeles Times, commentator for CNN, and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. When he is not writing the G-File or hosting The Remnant podcast, he finds real joy in family time, attending to his dogs and cat, and blaming Steve Hayes for various things. Chris Stirewalt is a contributing writer for The Dispatch, the politics editor for The Hill and NewsNation, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast, and author of Broken News, a book on media and politics. The podcast transcription below was generated using artificial intelligence and may include occasional errors or misspellings. Steve Hayes 0:00 [music] Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm Steve Hayes. On today's roundtable, we do some serious ideating on the state of the right and the Republican Party ahead of the upcoming midterms. And we also look ahead at what the conservative movement might look like in 2028. What is a conservative in 2026? Is JD Vance Donald Trump's heir apparent? And then not worth your time, a Wordle word, aspect, starts an in-depth conversation about things we eat. Let's dive right in. Steve Hayes 0:50 Gentlemen, welcome. Michael Warren, you have an exciting newsletter that is launching this week called Next Right. This is the product of, I would say, a lot of internal discussion and a lot of what the kids are calling ideation- Jonah Goldberg 1:09 Oh, Lord Steve Hayes 1:10 ... on your part. Interactive transcripts are available to Premium members. Join to follow along with the audio. Join Now More We Think You’d Like