Not Losing the Iran War | Interview: Hal Brands

General Jonah Goldberg can’t get war off his mind, so instead of losing another round of Battleship, he invites Hal Brands, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and hallmate, to discuss the ongoing war in Iran and whether or not we have an exit strategy, a possibility of a world war, and our commitment to allies. Show Notes: The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant, audio versions of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠click here⁠. Instructions on how to set up your members-only feed can be found here, and if you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Jonah Goldberg is editor-in-chief and co-founder of The Dispatch, based in Washington, D.C. Prior to that, enormous lizards roamed the Earth. More immediately prior to that, Jonah spent two decades at National Review, where he was a senior editor, among other things. He is also a bestselling author, longtime columnist for the Los Angeles Times, commentator for CNN, and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. When he is not writing the G-File or hosting The Remnant podcast, he finds real joy in family time, attending to his dogs and cat, and blaming Steve Hayes for various things. The podcast transcription below was generated using artificial intelligence and may include occasional errors or misspellings. Music 0:00 [instrumental music] [groaning] Ladies and gentlemen. Music 0:16 Could I please have your attention? Can you dig it? [audience cheering] Jonah Goldberg 0:27 Ladies and listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of The Remnant Podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media. Very excited for today's return guest. It's a little weird because we are literally, like, yards apart at the American Enterprise Institute. I-I'm sandwiched between 2 of the nation's, maybe the world's foremost foreign policy dudes, and so it's... I, I don't wanna say it's a, it's a fecal sandwich or anything like that, but the bread is more important than the filler here. But I, I'm flanked by Fred Kagan and Hal Brands at AEI, and it's, it's kinda strange to be talking to them on a podcast across from the other side of a wall. Regardless, uh, Hal Brands is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He's the Henry A. Kissinger Distinguished Professor of Global Affairs at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, my wife's alma mater. He's a columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and he's the author of many books. The next one coming down the pike is The Landscape of Power. Uh, Hal Brands, welcome back to The Remnant. Hal Brands 1:27 Thanks for having me, Jonah. Always good to chat. Jonah Goldberg 1:29 All right, so maybe just for level-setting purposes, I, I don't, I don't wanna do a tour of the horizon of different regions of the world or anything like that, but I think for level-setting purposes, Interactive transcripts are available to Premium members. Join to follow along with the audio. Join Now More We Think You’d Like